Date parsed: 16/04/2008 18:21:35
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:21:35 +0100

http://www.campin.me.uk/Cerdanos/ is a mirror of a Geocities site of
Turkish art music scores, heavily edited to remove absolute URLs,
Javascript, CSS and Yahooisms. I want it to work offline and on
the most basic browsers there are. I've made it HTML 4.01 strict.

It's all in Turkish. I've set up the META stuff the W3C suggests to
get the right encoding. On my usual browser at home (iCab/MacOS 9.1)
it Just Works. Looks exactly the same on the latest Firefox under
MacOS 10.3.9.

When I try it on the machine at work (Windows 2000 Professional with
some version of Internet Explorer) it comes up as nonsense since it
chooses US English text encoding. If I change the default to "auto-
select" the text encoding, it picks a Central European one which makes
the page a different kind of nonsense. It looks okay if I manually
select Turkish text encoding, but the point of the META tag was to
obviate that.

Is there some juju which will make IE/W2000 (and other Windows browsers)
do the right thing without also screwing up W3C compliance?

There are lots of missing files, some of the scores are mis-classified,
and the scans are mostly of poor quality. I may be able to do something
about that, but meanwhile there's nothing else on this scale out there.

==== j a c k at c a m p i n . m e . u k === <http://www.campin.me.uk> ====
Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557
CD-ROMs and free stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts

Date parsed: 17/04/2008 08:29:00
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:29:00 +0100

>> It's all in Turkish.
> You might use ISO-8859-9 or Windows-1254. But you should really
> be using Unicode UTF-8 in AD 2008.

I used cp1254, which I assumed was more widely supported (at least
for old cheap machines, which was what I was after).

>> I've set up the META stuff the W3C suggests to get the right encoding.
> No, no! The correct and recommended way is to specify the encoding
> (charset) in the HTTP header:
> http://www.w3.org/International/O-HTTP-charset

As I said in the original post, my primary motivation was to make
it work offline - it's only on my site for testing purposes in that
form, I intend to ZIP the whole lot into a downloadable archive.
So no HTTP would be involved in the end product. And I don't have
the privs to hack Apache configs at the site where I'm hosting that
right now anyway.

==== j a c k at c a m p i n . m e . u k === <http://www.campin.me.uk> ====
Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557
CD-ROMs and free stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts

Date parsed: 17/04/2008 18:14:22
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:14:22 +0200

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:

> I used cp1254, which I assumed was more widely supported (at least
> for old cheap machines, which was what I was after).

I don't know what you mean by "old cheap machines" - but you
can use "charset=utf-8" with Netscape 4 and Internet Explorer 4.
Just test your "old cheap machines" on
http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/nhtcapri/multilingual1.html

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